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Reflections, views and descriptions during my stay at IIM Lucknow from July 2004 to March 2006

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Friday, April 29, 2005

In defence of quizzing - II

Refutations:

I refute each of the above arguments on the following grounds:

1. This view stems from a very limited view of quizzing as an activity. It is seen to be consisting of cramming different question-banks and regurgitating that information in quizzes. But notice how similar this sounds to the way people study for examinations today! I argue that it is the current method of exam-centric studies that emphasizes memory much more than quizzing does.
The process of quizzing is not restricted to cramming & recalling. It is, in fact, a continuous process of learning consisting of the following stages:

i. Information acquisition - this may occur through any medium - print, audio-visual, other people, etc. It may be focused on one or more topics or may be completely random, depending on the individual's interests.
ii. Synthesis of acquired information - the acquired information may be combined with or related to the information already possessed by a person to place the new information in its proper place in the bigger scheme of things
iii. Knowledge creation - man can do things with his mind other than acquire and retain information, he can deduce or infer things from the information he possesses. This is the next stage where a person creates knowledge for himself from existing pieces of information
iv. Knowledge use - a person can use the knowledge that he possesses, either in a practical way, or just to amuse himself and indulge in a little competition in quizzes.

And of course, a person may lose or discard information or knowledge gained outside of his main interests at any time. A person may be in more than one stage of the above process at any given time. If you think I am talking about learning in general, you are right :). I consider quizzing to be an attitude of readiness to learn, rather than an activity. More on this later.

2. It is true that many quiz contests are based on trivia - information of little or no significance. You may sit through many quiz contests and come to know only disjointed pieces of unimportant information, and hence are doubtful about the utility of such an activity. But quizzing has several uses, which I list below:

i. As I have said in 1. above, since quizzing is an attitude of readiness to learn, it builds 'learnability' (the favourite word of many corporate recruiters today) in an individual. One becomes more open to new ideas, concepts, etc.
ii. It also teaches you to build on and utilise others' knowledge. You will realise this if you are participating with a team on a quiz and all of you know parts of the answer and have to work out an answer together
iii. It teaches you to think on your feet, collate what you know and come up with a best-effort solution. It may not be correct or good enough, but at least it instils a discipline of mental exercise.
iv. All quizzing is not trivia-based. Nobody stops one from focused quizzing on one's own topics of interest, or those of a group. In this case, you may get information that is practically useful to you from the activity.
v. Fun is a very valid reason to quiz. Most of the trivia quizzes may not have practical value, but they definitely have a fun value. A hobby should be good fun anyway.
vi. Last but not the least, these days it is also becoming increasingly lucrative to be good at quizzing :). The kinds of prizes that are given away at college, corporate and TV show quizzes can be good economic motivation to quiz, if you are not moved by the philosophy.

3. This is a subjective matter, and entirely dependent on individual interest. However, quizzers do not place a restriction on the sources by which they gain knowledge. So, a person may read about the North Pole, while another may visit it and experience it and hence gain the same knowledge experientially, and yet both may be quizzers. So, quizzing is a bit like the Sanaatan Dharma :).

4. I call this the 'breadth vs. depth tradeoff'. I do not doubt that such a tradeoff exists, since if one knew everything about everything, he would be omniscient, and such a quality does not seem reasonably possible in any human being. But the extent to which the tradeoff exists varies with the interests and abilities of individuals.
Consider a horizontal bar with one notch for each field of knowledge (categorized in some way). Let vertical bars extending from each notch represent the depth of knowledge of a person in that particular field.
Then some people may be 'sleeping-I's, having a lot of superficial nowledge about many fields, but no significant depth of knowledge in any one. Some people may be 'T's, with a good breadth of knowledge, with specialized deep knowledge in one area. I have seen many good quizzers who are 'many-levered key's, that is: horizontal bars with many vertical bars of varying lengths extending from it, having both good depth and breadth of knowledge. So, any generalization is impossible.

The big picture

As I have said twice already, quizzing should be viewed in a much broader sense than merely as a specific activity. It is a state of mind, an attitude of readiness to learn. Viewed from this larger perspective, it would be difficult to deny that quizzing is important, especially in these times, when knowledge plays a bigger part in one's life (whether as a careerperson, a consumer, or any other role) than ever before.

35 Comments:

Blogger Darth Midnightmare said...

Very true...in fact one thing I have noticed is that the best quizzers are seldom the crammers, but people with a serious interest in certain fields and the best teams are the ones that combine quizzers who have varied fields of interest and co-ordinate and function well as a team....

As for depth, I have seen that most quizzers have a "chosen" field, in which they know just about everything....because they love that field. Isn't that akin to the education system? We "learn" things by rote about one particular scheme and know jacks*it about the rest.....

9:38 PM  
Blogger Samrat said...

Brilliantly written Ted.
This post should get wider circulation.
Quizzing rules!!

4:34 AM  
Blogger Salil said...

Totally agree about the 'rote' part. Quizzers are often asked from where they prepare/learn answers to questions, which can be quite dfficult and tiresome to answer.

Quizzes nowadays have shifted from 'knowing' to 'working out' with the rise of the favourite 'connects'.

2:02 AM  
Blogger Tadatmya Vaishnav said...

Samrat,
Thanks...if you liked what I wrote, you can freely circulate it. Have you had any such experiences?

Salil,
Yeah, that 'from where do you read?' is a very tiresome question indeed. Not all quizzes have moved to 'working out' questions or more intelligently asked questions, sadly. Sample Derek O'Brien's quizzes...

3:06 AM  
Blogger Aniruddha Dutta said...

Tadatmya,

Your writeup surely pits the Quizophiles against the Quizophobes. Being a quizophile to some extent, could not help but agree with you on most counts.

The high in working out an answer and getting it right is unmatched.

A cook feels satisfied when his food is appreciated, so is the artist or the humble coder whose code runs successfully.

I, for one have had people who have encouraged as well as discouraged me. But the mind still carries on with its own trivial pursuits.

An earnest request - Would like to Link up this article to my Quiz blog (http://adquiz.blogspot.com). Am I permitted to do the same or do you have a Creative Copyright on your site ?

Regards,

Aniruddha Dutta
http://adquiz.blogspot.com

3:33 PM  
Blogger anantha said...

After looked upon with various negative expressions, incl. scorn, I think quizzers finally have something to base arguments on.
I have had this argument so many times. Someone tells me that he or she has no reason to REMEMBER some fact or trivia and so they dont. I tell them that its the case with me too. I dont try to REMEMBER (that stopped when i was in the 8th std, with my first quiz), but if I find something interesting, it just sticks somewhere into me and I seem to remember it later, not neccesarily cos I wanted to remember.
IMHO, for quizzers, the high is higher when they link something they read somewhere and guess the based on reasoning rather than remembering. Atleast thats the case with me!
Still remember one question at Festember (RECT) where they showed a glass painting of a man in a hat pouring water on a burning castle and asked us where it was located. We were the only team that guessed right that it was Windsor Castle cos I remembered vaguely that it had suffered some damage in a fire some months earlier. My reasoning - if it was important enf to be asked in a question, then the building must be famous, leading to me remembering the incident. However some ppl might claim that the fact that i even knew Windsor Castle borders on triviality and I still have no answer to that argument. But that argument kinda points to a closed mindset - i.e. If it dont affect me now, I dont need to know! I certainly am not one of those!

6:27 PM  
Blogger Tadatmya Vaishnav said...

Aniruddha,
I have no copyright on this blog, you may freely link anything, or copy & paste it. No problem.

aNTi,
The pursuit of trivia is not more undesirable than, say, stamp- or coin-collecting, which are considered educational hobbies (although I don't understand how they are better than quizzing)

8:49 PM  
Blogger Aniruddha Dutta said...

Thanks.

I have posted your article on my blog. Do give a dekko at http://adquiz.blogspot.com

Regards,

Aniruddha Dutta

10:01 PM  
Blogger Samrat said...

Hey Ted , Ramanand has posted a link to your article in the pune quizzing blog. http://notesandstones.blogspot.com/

1:37 AM  
Blogger Jay said...

Brilliant post, Tadatmya.

as aNTi said, I don't think there's a high that matches the on ewhen you crack a connect...I myself have experienced this.

This was in BOB (Brain of BITS, 2005), the quiz conducted during APOGEE, the academic fest of BITS Pilani.

There was this qn on two brothers who started arbit hamming when AIR outlawed filmi numbers on radio - we had to name the place the brothers came from - my guess was Jhumritilaiya, and that was right!

Obviously, you can't learn up stuff like that - what I like best about quizzing is that you end up knowing so much more, but you've enjoyed the learning experience - now I dont think any of us can say that about our academic courses - simply becoz we had to learn them by rote.

Hey, even if people look at us with scorn - that kinda brings us into some kind of a special community, doesnt it? At least we go against the flow - the fact that some people look at us with disdain(?) just speaks of their tolerance levels which are abysmal, and moreover, even the Freemasons were ostracised and hey, they were some of the cleverst chaps in the world!!!!

12:18 AM  
Blogger Srivatsa said...

Another link on the good old "working out" style of quizzing and the kind that the likes of KBC have spawned.

http://www.banglalive.com/ipatrikaa/sanglap/SanglapDetail14_12_2000.asp

2:48 AM  
Blogger Tadatmya Vaishnav said...

Srivatsa,

Thanks for the link. Although one can understand the writer's anguish at watching KBC-type shows, it's a bit too emotional a response. Quizzing doesn't need a requeim, its status and quality needs to be restored...

3:30 AM  
Anonymous niranjan said...

Thanks for the nicely written post.

I think, one needs to look at the statistical distribution of the content of 'quizzes' as seen by any member of the non-quizzing majority. What are these quizzes? Bournvita, Harsha's quiz, Kaun banega crorepati, mastermind? Then probably, point 1 is valid. We, as quizzers, do get to experience quizzes which are beyond the obvious, but most of the non-quizzers do not. So, is the 'intelligent' variety of quizzing so esoteric and unapproachable to the public?

This brings me to the inevitable comparison of two of my favourite hobbies, quizzing and classical music. A trained classical musician/listener can appreciate finer details of a classical recital, while the same rendition could perceived as entirely tedious by a non-trained person. Yet, there are classical recitals which are enjoyed by everyone alike, which capture the essence of grammar as well as aesthetic appeal. Probably, 'normal' quizzing needs to go that way if point 1 needed to be cleared. Something which can be enjoyed by everyone, the hard-core quizzer and an innocent (albeit, ingnorant ;)) non-quizzer.

8:42 PM  
Blogger Sinfully Pinstripe said...

Oh my GOD! @
Quizzing is a state of mind, an attitude of readiness to learn.

And all the while I was proclaiming tha quizzing is a sport .

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